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	<title>Comments on: Global Hydrogen Inc. Lowers Price of Hydrogen to $2.47 per Gallon</title>
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		<title>By: rama krishna</title>
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		<dc:creator>rama krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need fuel rates wat is the suitable website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need fuel rates wat is the suitable website?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that cheap oil is a thing of the past, which is why we need to develop alternative fuel vehicles now. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are not a solution for high gas prices this year or next year. I’ve talked about timelines in this past post:

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-cars/hydrogen-car-timelines-confuse-rather-than-enlighten/

I also agree that overpromising leads to disappointment. But who has been promising hydrogen fuel cell cars as a quick fix for oil prices now? We still need to take action, however, developing cheap production methods of hydrogen and cars. I’ve said in the past the hydrogen fuel cell cars will be part of an overall picture of alternative fuel vehicles, sharing space in the future with electric cars, PHEV’s, CNG vehicles and those that run on biofuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that cheap oil is a thing of the past, which is why we need to develop alternative fuel vehicles now. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are not a solution for high gas prices this year or next year. I’ve talked about timelines in this past post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-cars/hydrogen-car-timelines-confuse-rather-than-enlighten/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-cars/hydrogen-car-timelines-confuse-rather-than-enlighten/</a></p>
<p>I also agree that overpromising leads to disappointment. But who has been promising hydrogen fuel cell cars as a quick fix for oil prices now? We still need to take action, however, developing cheap production methods of hydrogen and cars. I’ve said in the past the hydrogen fuel cell cars will be part of an overall picture of alternative fuel vehicles, sharing space in the future with electric cars, PHEV’s, CNG vehicles and those that run on biofuels.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that CNG could be transitional technology for hydrogen cars.

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/will-cng-infrastructure-be-transitional-for-hydrogen-cars/

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/infrastructure/can-hydrogen-and-cng-be-companion-flex-fuels-of-the-future/

CNG or diesel are still not zero emission vehicles, however, so hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are still a cleaner option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that CNG could be transitional technology for hydrogen cars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/will-cng-infrastructure-be-transitional-for-hydrogen-cars/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/will-cng-infrastructure-be-transitional-for-hydrogen-cars/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/infrastructure/can-hydrogen-and-cng-be-companion-flex-fuels-of-the-future/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/infrastructure/can-hydrogen-and-cng-be-companion-flex-fuels-of-the-future/</a></p>
<p>CNG or diesel are still not zero emission vehicles, however, so hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are still a cleaner option.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry Burns of GM estimates that because of mass production, once 1 million fuel cell vehicles have been produced they will cost the same as their gasoline counterparts.

http://www.fuelcellstocks.com/Articles/hydrogencars/110607gmfuelcellcars.dwt

True, we could all buy a gasoline-powered car with a minimum 50+ mpg rating but we haven’t and we don’t. What would it be like if all new cars on the road had a 50+ mpg rating to start with? This would mean less fuel needed and fewer fueling stations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Burns of GM estimates that because of mass production, once 1 million fuel cell vehicles have been produced they will cost the same as their gasoline counterparts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fuelcellstocks.com/Articles/hydrogencars/110607gmfuelcellcars.dwt" rel="nofollow">http://www.fuelcellstocks.com/Articles/hydrogencars/110607gmfuelcellcars.dwt</a></p>
<p>True, we could all buy a gasoline-powered car with a minimum 50+ mpg rating but we haven’t and we don’t. What would it be like if all new cars on the road had a 50+ mpg rating to start with? This would mean less fuel needed and fewer fueling stations.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s hard to argue costs of production when there are so many different ways now being developed. I have 77 posts now about the variety of ways hydrogen can be produced.

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/category/hydrogen-production/

Also, you’re leaving out home hydrogen fueling stations in development that will use electricity from the grid during off-peak hours to run the generators. Also, solar, wind, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources may be used to cut down on costs. In addition, some of the hydrogen fueling stations in existence are also powered by solar such as this one in Las Vegas:

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/solar-powered-hydrogen-fueling-station-dedicated-in-las-vegas/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s hard to argue costs of production when there are so many different ways now being developed. I have 77 posts now about the variety of ways hydrogen can be produced.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/category/hydrogen-production/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/category/hydrogen-production/</a></p>
<p>Also, you’re leaving out home hydrogen fueling stations in development that will use electricity from the grid during off-peak hours to run the generators. Also, solar, wind, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources may be used to cut down on costs. In addition, some of the hydrogen fueling stations in existence are also powered by solar such as this one in Las Vegas:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/solar-powered-hydrogen-fueling-station-dedicated-in-las-vegas/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/solar-powered-hydrogen-fueling-station-dedicated-in-las-vegas/</a></p>
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		<title>By: amt4info</title>
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		<dc:creator>amt4info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was that the hydrogen community has the public beliving that hydrogen will solve their gasoline crisss, because you can make hydrogen from water....    The fact is hydrogen has a role to play in providing transportation fuel, we need to continue to develop the technology, but if we promise the public a pie in the sky, they may believe it for a while but sooner or later the hard facts will hit them and the pie will be in our faces.  That is my point, we need to be realistic in our visions, As I said before no transportation fuel will be cheaper than cheap gasoline of the past</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was that the hydrogen community has the public beliving that hydrogen will solve their gasoline crisss, because you can make hydrogen from water&#8230;.    The fact is hydrogen has a role to play in providing transportation fuel, we need to continue to develop the technology, but if we promise the public a pie in the sky, they may believe it for a while but sooner or later the hard facts will hit them and the pie will be in our faces.  That is my point, we need to be realistic in our visions, As I said before no transportation fuel will be cheaper than cheap gasoline of the past</p>
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		<title>By: amt4info</title>
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		<dc:creator>amt4info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thirdly, I was wrong about my figure of 4 time the electricity used today July 31 2008 to produce the hydrogren needed to replace the 42,000,000 million  gallons of gasoline.     I quicky did the calculation  and did not check the details.  I apologize for the error  I rushed my calculation 


so here is my new calculation  based on today Cal ISO figures and a rough figure of 42,000,000 gallons of gasoline used from the California Petroleum Watch  and an unrealist 100% efficiency and fuel cell cars that go 110 mpg equivalent Today Cal ISO reported a miminum of 24,000 Mw demand and a max of close to 39,000 Mw  .  With a rough aveage of 31,000 Mw per hour.  This translates into 744,000,000 kw-hr/day.  With an ultra unrealist cost of 36 kwhr/kg we can produce aproximately 20,000,000 kg of hydrogen.   That mean it would take all the electricity used today by Cal ISO.   Now  this calculation was not ment to imply that all hydrogen will be produce from electricity.   Far from it.  Most hydrogen will be produced from natural gas.  But then why do not we just compress natural gas and use it.  Or we can even switch to GTL diesel.  it a lot easier pumping a liquid fuel than handling a 10,000 psi gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thirdly, I was wrong about my figure of 4 time the electricity used today July 31 2008 to produce the hydrogren needed to replace the 42,000,000 million  gallons of gasoline.     I quicky did the calculation  and did not check the details.  I apologize for the error  I rushed my calculation </p>
<p>so here is my new calculation  based on today Cal ISO figures and a rough figure of 42,000,000 gallons of gasoline used from the California Petroleum Watch  and an unrealist 100% efficiency and fuel cell cars that go 110 mpg equivalent Today Cal ISO reported a miminum of 24,000 Mw demand and a max of close to 39,000 Mw  .  With a rough aveage of 31,000 Mw per hour.  This translates into 744,000,000 kw-hr/day.  With an ultra unrealist cost of 36 kwhr/kg we can produce aproximately 20,000,000 kg of hydrogen.   That mean it would take all the electricity used today by Cal ISO.   Now  this calculation was not ment to imply that all hydrogen will be produce from electricity.   Far from it.  Most hydrogen will be produced from natural gas.  But then why do not we just compress natural gas and use it.  Or we can even switch to GTL diesel.  it a lot easier pumping a liquid fuel than handling a 10,000 psi gas.</p>
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		<title>By: amt4info</title>
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		<dc:creator>amt4info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second,  You are right the current fleet of fuel cell vehicles do get better fuel economy than the average Car.  But I think that if you wanted to you could by a car with a 50+ mpg rating and I do not think its a million bucks. As to price of people buying  them for less refer to the subsidize government programs.    Maybe we should pass a law requiring everyone to drive 50cc mopeds with in a city</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second,  You are right the current fleet of fuel cell vehicles do get better fuel economy than the average Car.  But I think that if you wanted to you could by a car with a 50+ mpg rating and I do not think its a million bucks. As to price of people buying  them for less refer to the subsidize government programs.    Maybe we should pass a law requiring everyone to drive 50cc mopeds with in a city</p>
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		<title>By: amt4info</title>
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		<dc:creator>amt4info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I am not going to get in to an arguement on what ever price the hydrogen is being sold at.  Most of the facilities that I know of there is no price.  There may be a price on display but that not the cost it just for giggles.   The cost of the hydrogen is being subsidize by various governmental programs designed to promote hydrogen use. So I am sure if you are being charged a price  it is not market price for 99.999% pure hydrogen that the fuel cells require.   By the way here in Sacramento we do not pay a cent for the hydrogen used in our fuel cell vehicle, so am I to assume that hydrogen is free.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I am not going to get in to an arguement on what ever price the hydrogen is being sold at.  Most of the facilities that I know of there is no price.  There may be a price on display but that not the cost it just for giggles.   The cost of the hydrogen is being subsidize by various governmental programs designed to promote hydrogen use. So I am sure if you are being charged a price  it is not market price for 99.999% pure hydrogen that the fuel cells require.   By the way here in Sacramento we do not pay a cent for the hydrogen used in our fuel cell vehicle, so am I to assume that hydrogen is free&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you’ll have to quote that $6 per kilogram to the people in Irvine, California who are paying $4.99 per kilogram. See the photos at this link:

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/hydrogen-filling-station-irvine-ca.htm

While you’re at it tell the people in Chicago about this who are paying $3.49 per kilogram for hydrogen:

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/illinois-opens-first-hydrogen-fueling-station-today/

Your last statement is also flawed in a couple of ways. “Another fact, if California were to substitute hydrogen for gasoline, it would take over 4 times today electricity demand to make that hydrogen.”

First, cite your source. Second, substituting hydrogen for gasoline is not an apples for apples switch. Cars like the Honda FCX Clarity get 67.5 mpg equivalent as opposed to the average US car at the CAFÉ standard of 27.5 mpg. This means less hydrogen will have to be produced and fewer H2 fueling stations will need to be built to support hydrogen cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you’ll have to quote that $6 per kilogram to the people in Irvine, California who are paying $4.99 per kilogram. See the photos at this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/hydrogen-filling-station-irvine-ca.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/hydrogen-filling-station-irvine-ca.htm</a></p>
<p>While you’re at it tell the people in Chicago about this who are paying $3.49 per kilogram for hydrogen:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/illinois-opens-first-hydrogen-fueling-station-today/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-distribution/illinois-opens-first-hydrogen-fueling-station-today/</a></p>
<p>Your last statement is also flawed in a couple of ways. “Another fact, if California were to substitute hydrogen for gasoline, it would take over 4 times today electricity demand to make that hydrogen.”</p>
<p>First, cite your source. Second, substituting hydrogen for gasoline is not an apples for apples switch. Cars like the Honda FCX Clarity get 67.5 mpg equivalent as opposed to the average US car at the CAFÉ standard of 27.5 mpg. This means less hydrogen will have to be produced and fewer H2 fueling stations will need to be built to support hydrogen cars.</p>
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